Meghan Markle Tells Mariah Carey She Wasn’t Treated As A ‘Black Woman’ Until She Started Dating Prince Harry

Meghan Markle has released the second episode of her podcast on Spotify Archetypes Tuesday, this time welcoming singer Mariah Carey as her guest.

The Duchess of Sussex, 41, spoke with the 53-year-old singer for a chat called ‘The Duality of Diva’, where they talked about the negative connotations of the modern interpretation of the word ‘diva’ and bisexuality.

Mariah touched on how she moved over a dozen times during her youth and grew up without much, trying to adjust to each new beginning.

“I didn’t fit in. I didn’t fit in. You know, it would be more the black part of town or then you could be where my mom chose to live, where the white neighborhoods. I couldn’t fit in either,” he began.

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Meghan Markle, Mariah Carey

Samir Hussein/WireImage; ANGELA WEISS/AFP/Getty Meghan Markle? Mariah Carey

“Yeah, I get it,” echoed Meghan, adding that she was looking forward to welcoming the pop icon to Archetypes for much more than her music.

Prince Harry

Prince Harry

Seth Wenig/AP/Shutterstock Prince Harry and Meghan Markle

“You were so formative to me. Representation means a lot,” she said. “But when you’re a woman and you don’t see a woman who looks like you somewhere in a position of power or influence, or even on the screen — because we know how influential the media is — you came on the scene, I was like, ‘Oh, my God. Someone looks like something”.

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Referring to another trailblazing woman in Hollywood, Meghan continued: “I had read this article about Halle Berry and they were asking her how she felt about being treated as a mixed race woman in the world. And her response was to say, ‘Well, your experience of the world is how people see you.’ So she said, because she was darker, she was seen as a black woman, not a mixed woman.”

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“And I think for us it’s very different because we’re light-skinned,” she said. “They don’t treat you as a black woman. They don’t treat you as a white woman. You kind of fit in between.

“I mean, if there’s ever been a time in my life that has focused more on my race, it’s only once I started dating my husband. Then I started to understand what it was like to be treated as a black woman,” Megan said. referring to her relationship with Prince Harry. “Because up until then, I was treated like a mixed woman. And things really changed.”

Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex and Meghan, Duchess of Sussex attend a meeting with the Taoiseach during their visit to Ireland on July 11, 2018

Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex and Meghan, Duchess of Sussex attend a meeting with the Taoiseach during their visit to Ireland on July 11, 2018

Pool/Samir Hussein/WireImage Meghan Markle and Prince Harry

In response, the “Obsessed” singer said that feeling forced to choose between identifying as black or white was an “interesting thing.”

“As a mixed woman, because I’ve always thought it should be OK to say I’m mixed. Like it should be OK to say that. But people want you to choose,” she said, to which Meghan agreed.

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Archetypes shot up the Spotify charts after the release of the first episode last week, a conversation with Serena Williams called The Misconceptions of Ambition, where the friends discussed society’s two standards for women chasing their dreams, and Meghan revealed that she broke out fire at son Archie’s nursery during the Sussex family’s royal tour of Africa in 2019. Two days after his fall, Archetypes was the number one podcast in the United States, United Kingdom, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand and Canada on Spotify’s international charts.

Meghan and Prince Harry first announced a “multi-year partnership” between Spotify and their production company Archewell Audio in 2020. According to a previously shared press release, Archetypes she intends to “explore the labels that try to hold women back.

Speaking with historians and experts, Megan will “uncover the origins of these stereotypes and have uncensored conversations with women who know first-hand how these print editions shape narratives.”

Next week’s guest is Mindy Kaling.

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